Tradition
Again...more teaching to the test...I thought I finished suffering through this inductive strategy in high school...though again I find that even in graduate programs, one is still learning more for socioeconomic prestige, rather than for perhaps authentic personal and communal growth as a human being. In fact, there are times when I feel otherworldly as a human being and more and more like an enculturated zombie. Test-taking skills I'm sure are wonderful skills to have if only to achieve 'success' as is defined by popular culture, by our government, by western culture in general...though for me, as one studying, searching for what is transcendent, worldly success seems very little indeed on the hierarchy of priorities -- not that I'm completely trying to dissassociate myself from the culture, or trying to zealously reform it, but I am trying to 'see' beyond myself as it were, beyond my own needs, beyond what my conditioned and conditioning environment conveys to me.
My wife and I had a conversation the other day and were both left a little uncomfortable with some of our discussion topics. To name one, we both could not help but notice the structural inconsistencies in society, the structured evil as it were. In order to tame chaos, one must set laws and rules we both understand...
...but what about patriarchal elements in a culture where women and men are seeking equality, in a culture that structurally prevents women from achieving a fair status in the socioeconomic sphere and in the mindsets of westerners? Why are women required to take on the last names of their husbands, when the very incorporation of such identity symbolically attacks a woman's identity and worth? Tradition is generally the way we tend to refute or to defend the way things are done. And though I find tradition to be helpful in remembrance and in eschatological expectation, the culture in which we experience the world and the transcendent is vastly different from cultures past. Hanging on to traditions, perhaps outdated, may seem comfortable to human beings, where living is not in itself a comfortable task. To live is to evolve in identity as rational human beings.
For me, God did not just set things in motion as the divine clockmaker, but still creates in and through the lives of human beings, perhaps by means of the Scripturally ambiguous 3rd part of the godhead: the 'Spirit.' For the church particularly, change comes very slow over the ages due to the fear that tradition, or rather the precepts and tenets of early Christianity will be lost in the secular or the profane...for a religion that faithfully attests to the movement of the Spirit within humanity, there is a lack of faith in the power of that Spirit to move within the secularized world. In other words, instead of embodying our faith as true believers, we institutionalize it, excluding others' sacred claimes so that it will not escape us, the 'true believers.' Perhaps Christians should be flogged for their lack of faith in their omnipotent God.
...back to what I was saying before, Amy and I refuse to contribute to structured evil by taking each others' last names. Hyphenation seems a more suitable fit for our embodied values, otherwise we would be living a lie imposed upon us by our culture. For Amy and I, Christ transcends his culture -- in fact one reason he had to die was necessitated by his representation of the divine culture radically different from the one in which he lived on earth. He lived under Jewish laws and Roman laws, and was judged by them, recognizing the need for human governance, though revealed the culture's misplaced virtues and values. Again, I am working through a personal interpretation of Scripture based upon study and in conversation with others, and I could cite Scriptural references, but the ambiguity of Scripture allows for any interpretations one deems fit...in other words, you could argue with me citing evidence for an opposite point of view...the question then becomes, who is more Spirit-filled? 'I am' of course you ponder...your experience, your study, your prayer -- it all confirms this does it not? Perhaps the Spirit, like Scripture, is a bit more ambiguous than people give Her credit...
I know what you may be thinking, a symbol may not hold sway, may not make much of a difference if it is changed...but I disagree. Symbols play a large part in our society, representing our hopes, our fears, our expectations, our perceptions. When symbols become out-of-wack with human experience, with tradition, with our corporate and personal values, then perhaps the particular symbol should be critiqued as to its function, its meaning, and its significance in society. Again, this is not to be taken as perhaps replacing the Crucifix with an iconic 'Buddy Christ,' because here those valuable tenets to Roman Catholics would be violated and replaced with a cultural symbol devoid of the religion's significant values.
Along these same lines, it is a theologically held belief (by some) that spatiotemporal events should be interpreted in light of the 'cross.' 'But what does this mean' ask the nominal Christians who think for their individual selves and in terms of their own salvation...Salvation is not what the cross signifies, first and foremost...somehow this has become a major tenet in Christianity. The cross is first and foremost an act of grace -- an attribute of the divine character to and for the glory of God -- it is Her will that we commune with him. 'Being saved' is our way of understanding what it means to be judged...when we perhaps lack what it means to judge, accepting a redacted form of Hammurabi's code or other casuistic laws of sorts. It is the only way to make sense of our own sacreds, the only way to retain the specialized feeling of an elect (the same feeling Darwin was perceived to threaten). Again, I'm going to bring up Scripture here -- Scripture uses metaphoric and analogic language in terms of casuistic laws, perhaps an influence from Hammurabi's code. There are the ten commandments and other Holy laws outlined and expounded upon in Leviticus...the point is that these regulations, these if/then or shall/shall not laws are the only linguistic ways in which Scriptural writers can convey the will of God. These linguistic barriers, however, are limits in and of themselves (only perceived and interpreted correctly with aid from the Spirit as most Christians understand it). Thus, explicitly stating that God judges in terms of these sorts of laws seems a bit limiting on the part of God. Judging for God may be the result of a gracious act so powerful, that Christ died for all of humanity so that we all may commune with God...very reminescent of Karl Barth's doctrine of universal atonement (which he never straightforwardly admitted to). Christians hate to think in terms such as this because it threatens their own egos, which yearn for their enemies to get their 'just' rewards. Perhaps this deeply embedded, sickly comforting subconscious element in the human psyche is one of humanity's most dividing and disturbing sins...
It seems very funny to me that the ways in which we institutionalize our perception of the sacred as Christians paradoxically institutionalizes our selves into imitation, rather than into creative human beings who understand tradition as a way of remembering so that we might live in jubilant expectation for the same Jesus who died on the cross to come again...
My wife and I had a conversation the other day and were both left a little uncomfortable with some of our discussion topics. To name one, we both could not help but notice the structural inconsistencies in society, the structured evil as it were. In order to tame chaos, one must set laws and rules we both understand...
...but what about patriarchal elements in a culture where women and men are seeking equality, in a culture that structurally prevents women from achieving a fair status in the socioeconomic sphere and in the mindsets of westerners? Why are women required to take on the last names of their husbands, when the very incorporation of such identity symbolically attacks a woman's identity and worth? Tradition is generally the way we tend to refute or to defend the way things are done. And though I find tradition to be helpful in remembrance and in eschatological expectation, the culture in which we experience the world and the transcendent is vastly different from cultures past. Hanging on to traditions, perhaps outdated, may seem comfortable to human beings, where living is not in itself a comfortable task. To live is to evolve in identity as rational human beings.
For me, God did not just set things in motion as the divine clockmaker, but still creates in and through the lives of human beings, perhaps by means of the Scripturally ambiguous 3rd part of the godhead: the 'Spirit.' For the church particularly, change comes very slow over the ages due to the fear that tradition, or rather the precepts and tenets of early Christianity will be lost in the secular or the profane...for a religion that faithfully attests to the movement of the Spirit within humanity, there is a lack of faith in the power of that Spirit to move within the secularized world. In other words, instead of embodying our faith as true believers, we institutionalize it, excluding others' sacred claimes so that it will not escape us, the 'true believers.' Perhaps Christians should be flogged for their lack of faith in their omnipotent God.
...back to what I was saying before, Amy and I refuse to contribute to structured evil by taking each others' last names. Hyphenation seems a more suitable fit for our embodied values, otherwise we would be living a lie imposed upon us by our culture. For Amy and I, Christ transcends his culture -- in fact one reason he had to die was necessitated by his representation of the divine culture radically different from the one in which he lived on earth. He lived under Jewish laws and Roman laws, and was judged by them, recognizing the need for human governance, though revealed the culture's misplaced virtues and values. Again, I am working through a personal interpretation of Scripture based upon study and in conversation with others, and I could cite Scriptural references, but the ambiguity of Scripture allows for any interpretations one deems fit...in other words, you could argue with me citing evidence for an opposite point of view...the question then becomes, who is more Spirit-filled? 'I am' of course you ponder...your experience, your study, your prayer -- it all confirms this does it not? Perhaps the Spirit, like Scripture, is a bit more ambiguous than people give Her credit...
I know what you may be thinking, a symbol may not hold sway, may not make much of a difference if it is changed...but I disagree. Symbols play a large part in our society, representing our hopes, our fears, our expectations, our perceptions. When symbols become out-of-wack with human experience, with tradition, with our corporate and personal values, then perhaps the particular symbol should be critiqued as to its function, its meaning, and its significance in society. Again, this is not to be taken as perhaps replacing the Crucifix with an iconic 'Buddy Christ,' because here those valuable tenets to Roman Catholics would be violated and replaced with a cultural symbol devoid of the religion's significant values.
Along these same lines, it is a theologically held belief (by some) that spatiotemporal events should be interpreted in light of the 'cross.' 'But what does this mean' ask the nominal Christians who think for their individual selves and in terms of their own salvation...Salvation is not what the cross signifies, first and foremost...somehow this has become a major tenet in Christianity. The cross is first and foremost an act of grace -- an attribute of the divine character to and for the glory of God -- it is Her will that we commune with him. 'Being saved' is our way of understanding what it means to be judged...when we perhaps lack what it means to judge, accepting a redacted form of Hammurabi's code or other casuistic laws of sorts. It is the only way to make sense of our own sacreds, the only way to retain the specialized feeling of an elect (the same feeling Darwin was perceived to threaten). Again, I'm going to bring up Scripture here -- Scripture uses metaphoric and analogic language in terms of casuistic laws, perhaps an influence from Hammurabi's code. There are the ten commandments and other Holy laws outlined and expounded upon in Leviticus...the point is that these regulations, these if/then or shall/shall not laws are the only linguistic ways in which Scriptural writers can convey the will of God. These linguistic barriers, however, are limits in and of themselves (only perceived and interpreted correctly with aid from the Spirit as most Christians understand it). Thus, explicitly stating that God judges in terms of these sorts of laws seems a bit limiting on the part of God. Judging for God may be the result of a gracious act so powerful, that Christ died for all of humanity so that we all may commune with God...very reminescent of Karl Barth's doctrine of universal atonement (which he never straightforwardly admitted to). Christians hate to think in terms such as this because it threatens their own egos, which yearn for their enemies to get their 'just' rewards. Perhaps this deeply embedded, sickly comforting subconscious element in the human psyche is one of humanity's most dividing and disturbing sins...
It seems very funny to me that the ways in which we institutionalize our perception of the sacred as Christians paradoxically institutionalizes our selves into imitation, rather than into creative human beings who understand tradition as a way of remembering so that we might live in jubilant expectation for the same Jesus who died on the cross to come again...


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This is a very lengthy discussion Amy and I had for months, which never had a concrete resolution...in fact, we almost cancelled the whole ceremony a few days before due to the seemingly nonsensical part of a public proclamation of a lifetime commitment. But I suppose part of the reason for us making this kind proclamation had much to do with satiating family expectations and to include our families in what we thought to be a very joyous occassion: our life-long commitment to each other. Though we had made the commitment privately, we wanted our family, our friends to be in on it with us.
It is possible to have a big get together without getting married, with down-home cookin', familial conversation, alcohol, whatever...but we decided not to do it that way...we went ahead with the wedding as scheduled. But your question is a very pertinent one I think any couple pursuing a long-term or even life-time commitment should think about.
As you know, marriage has historically and traditionally been a societal construct used to perpetuate the species. The ceremony, at least in a Christian context has a been a communal affirmation of two people's (men's) commitment to each other with God as the witness (perhaps with the effect of disuading both making the commitment to avoid adultery lest making fools out of themselves in front of the community who they make a promise to). It is hard to say whether this is necessarily a biblical warrant or a way the patriarchal governance of the church has imposed its patriarchal control over women (traditionally).
Marriage in less industrialized cultures, mostly in the practice of polygamy, is to perpetuate the species, to make alliances, to build wealth -- basically, for socioeconomic gain. Though I must contend that I am no expert on any specific tribe and can only generalize concerning brief ethnographic studies and sociological studies. But I do know that marriage is not necessarily about love in most contexts (as we tend to associate it in the West).
Did Amy and I make a commitment that will stand the test of time, transcending time for a good 70 years or so? I think so.
We both, I think (remembering this in retrospect and probably not very accurate in my memory) saw marriage as making a serious commitment to each other publicly, trying to avoid a nonchalant, whimsical commmitment that could be easily thrown around in a bedroom with each other, or at the movies...or something...a commitment easily broken with little guilt in the act...We'd like to think we are above just a personal commitment to each other. Our commitment involves all of those we love, our families and friends, and impacts their lives as well. Marriage, or rather a commitment to each other involves others we recognized...and that was important to us...it was a part of our commitment to each other, though we had already made it privately...
I'll try to write more later...I have to finish a poem for class.
I have little time to respond right now, have to get to work...but I do have a few comments. To completely radicalize disregarding all tradition is to say that what happened in the past has little to do with what happens in the future...I disagree here.
Second, if a person thinks they live a day without thinking religiously, then I think perhaps that person is naive in what he or she so desperately clings to or believes in.
Third, marriage is not only a Christian phenomenon, but has existed long before, and for various reasons among many different cultures, primarily to help structure society...and as you pointed out, it may seem out-dated...and it may be...but I see it partially as reminder of contingency with who and what has come before us in the 21st century. It's very simple to shrug history off and pretend that progress is what matters...(I hate the ambiguity in this term)...It's very cultural to think with regards to the future neglecting the contingency between past, present and future.
Fourth, I've come to realize that skepticism, relativism, and postmodernism are a dangerous trio...lending arguments with no ground...but only arguing for arguing's sake...and thus what is different and new and 'progressive' becomes the only logical course of action (under the pretense that all tradition is out-dated)...
What is sacred is said to be contained by institutionalized religion, however I would tread carefully if one cannot see the sacred in other societal institutions we take for granted...
Furthermore, this is all about how you define marriage...spiritual? societal? a control? Anyway, gotta run...write more later...
In other words...violence doesn't stop with the destruction of religion...the sacred becomes more illusory and societies become more chaotic...and symbolism...symbols are how we communicate...the language we use represents symbols...art are symbols...we can't escape our symbolic epistemic nature no matter how hard we try.
Technocentricity has not quite convinced me yet...nor the God of the Book...nor my faith in the human being as the measure of all things...
It's hard to discount all tradition and think that we know more than those past...Thus I can't abandon a search for the sacred for the God of Technology popularly praised.
I think marriage has become a commodity to be bought a sold -- an excuse to spend lots of money on dress and other useless stuff...It seems to have become a cultural, whimsical half-assed commitment that is more of a fad than it is anything else...it has less to do with religion I think though it tends to get associated with it.
Amy and I think of the ceremony itself a symbolic expression of our commitment to each other -- a symbol carries with it weight, and is, to us something temporally transcendent whilst we live...Our marriage does not symbolize our religious beliefs persay, but our commitment to each other that was made publicly amidst family and friends. You don't have to get married to do this of course...but I think the symbol itself reminds us that we are human, limited, and involved together in the evolution and the mystery of the rest of our lives. I must say, getting married is not something I regret, but something I rejoice in...of course I wouldn't have said this before getting married...it was a struggle to fully understand what it meant to do so...Is it a social control? Does it have religious connotations? Is it outdated? Before getting married, these are important questions to ask...but then ask what a marriage commitment means to you and to the other party involved? It is not a static commitment, but always evolving...it's not a rock standing firm in a river bed while water rushes past...but a rock that tumbles and moves...I would rather reform what it means to be married rather than abolish it altogether because it is a symbolic act I value...
It's only a big deal for gay people to get married to a very minute segment of Christianity that gets played-up in the media where most Americans get their information...fact is...the information most of us have from media should be criticized for its lack of real content and in its underlying utilitarian purpose that alludes many people. Mainstream Christianity does not necessarily follow this sort of 'biblical literalism' that is considered out-dated...the fact is, that politicians have ties to this old world, (but only recently old) that they cannot shake because of the remaining older population that desperately need to hear their values being upheld.
Another fact is that change comes slowly and we cling onto what is comfortable (though in fact living is not a comfortable endeavor -- and if it is, perhaps that should be questioned).
Only recently has religion been seen as something alien within society...our tendency to want to categorize and reduce everything into parts has distinguished these two categories. Fact is that relgion, art, etc were incorporated into society, parts of society not deemed apart from it. Art only recently has become an entity we clarify as art. Same with religion.
Marriage has been a constant throughout human history as far back as historians, whatever can tell...marriage, union, two opposite sexes living together to procreate...whatever...fact is, that marriage, as well as whatever else you do has religious ties no matter the want to escape them...it's like trying to escape one's culture and see things differently...to be religious is partially what it means to be human trying to reason what in fact that means, if anything, to live. If one thinks technology is the end all say all, then one will tend to see living in such terms.
I'm straying off topic...
If you ever get a chance, check out the book Christian America by Christian Smith, who has interviewed thousands of people throughout the US, clarifying what an evangelical Christian is, what his or her goals are, etc...it's very enlightening -- much more so than media hype.
Marriage is about commitment, about values, about belief...there is no escape from that...but it's one of many abstract conjurations we humans have constructed. It has much to do with a personal perception of what is sacred. Gay marriage if perfectly acceptable...
To me, what contributes to relationship is perfectly acceptable...don't ask me to write an ethical treatise, because I might be tempted...but what I recognize in marriage is our nature as social creatures and our responsibility to live in relationship to one another.
What I said was that art and religion were incorporated into society. In fact I would go further to suggest that art and religion feed off the same thing: mystery. Where mystery is deficient, art and religion both die. Thus art and religion have and always will have a bond, whether we like it or not. Most artists would contend that in creating their art, they have sacred experience or perhaps a necessity to do it...then in interpreting that art, the respondee will contend the same. Art for profit does not fit a definition of true art. You've already begun to impose more categories onto art separating religious art from I guess the other art (or maybe what you would consider true art)...Madeleine L'Engle suggests that true art is always religious, despite other pretensions. Thus, I was not speaking of what society (the media) defines for us as 'religious art.' The history you are recapitulating only involves the Christian church...I'm thinking more in terms of more ritualized societies in a broader scope all over the world...perhaps think in terms other than the church to broaden the conversation...It is fairly obvious history to point out the historical problems in Christendom, it's tendency to change. Of course I could point out hundreds of others with society, faith in the measure of man, or technological progress that put restrictions on art...our own cultural context, the colors on the page, the meter in music, they are all restrictions to an artist...I think the artist can get used to being limited in his or her art. Of course I'm not defending the churches past actions...because I don't agree with all decisions made by the church in the past.
Bringing up a segment of the church that is slowly being radified seems a bit dated to me and of little relevance. Politics are the way we choose to govern ourselves, or rather the way the system is set up when we are born. Religion and art both are involved in politics because all of the above bump heads from time to time...suggesting that politics 'gives you norms' is only part of it. The culture you live in enculturates you into certain norms...but those norms do not necessarily instill people with the same values.
Traditionally, for the church, art has been a very touchy subject because they operate under the presupposition that Scripture attests to a God that appeared on earth. The whole 'graven images' passages has been problematic for them and the church has been slow to change, slow to accept anything that might be considered idolatry...and I can't solely blame them if they happen to believe that they worship a supreme authority responsible for creating humanity. Perhaps you might take the situation a bit more seriously in that kind of situation. But you are not in that kind of situation and to you, you find it ridiculous...this is the other side of the argument apart from your postmodern perspective. A true sociologist, anthropologist would agree with me rather than only interpreting from the outside. I don't know what anthropologists or sociologists you are reading, but I have never read any that parallel your argument. Another point, you keep referring to art and religion when they were considered separate...think further back or perhaps in other cultural contexts. I'm also not sure which histories you are reading, but I keep up with most modern histories and again am not familiar with your argument from any of them.
Again, you can only think of Christianity as the only religion, or an organized religion as the only thing that constitutes religion...as societies become more complexed then the three start to separate...ask any anthropologist or sociologist. "we are now finally to see the true origins of art for what it is" is completely bogus...if we did that it would cease to be art.
As far as your last paragraph goes...where to begin...I would more contend that since religion begun as a part of society and governance it goes back to the issue dealing with ontological questions, "who are we" "why are we the way we are"...coping with the human condition. Your grand schema of society wanting to control people through religion was a later construct. Of course the French revolution, the Crusades and many other examples can attest to where religion as a control can go wrong.
I think you touch on some good points, but lack ground on which to stand...think at the issues from other perspectives, consider the viewpoint of the opposite side without just dismissing it or you become a conservative left-winger.
To add more to your argument...talk about the sacred...how it is controlled...how it is created...how it functions...rather than merely arguing based upon just the Christian religion, one among thousands.
Don't apologize...I see your point...reason does not have clear limits, nor a clean definition
Any tips on cooking lasagna by the way...I butchered it earlier...nearly exploded...And I'm not sure what I did...
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